Filmed between Munich and New Westminster on May 21, 2021

We are thrilled to present this uncut conversation between artists Mario Klingemann (Munich) and Ben Bogart (Vancouver). This Artist Talk emerged from the interactive MirNs (2021) exhibition at New Media Gallery. Several themes were suggested prior to filming, all of which related to Artificial Intelligence (AI). The artists debate the notion and definition of creativity in machines as well as the tools and processes inherent to their own practice. They discuss the current state and future of machine learning. And they debate ethical considerations when working in this area. Finally, they touch on the Global Art Market

Mario spoke from his Munich studio; Ben spoke from New Media Gallery, New Westminster/Vancouver.

Can machines be creative; what does machine creativity mean?
What does it mean for a machine to sense?
What is the state and the future of machine learning?
What are some of the ethical considerations ?
What changes are happening in the global art market?

Mario Klingemann
Mario Klingemann is a German artist and former Google Arts and Culture resident known for his work involving neural networks, code, and algorithms. He is considered a pioneer in the use of computer learning in the arts. His work Memories of Passersby (2018) was the first AI work in Europe to be sold at auction. His works examine creativity, culture, and perception through machine learning and artificial intelligence. He has exhibited worldwide, including Ars Electronica, the Museum of Modern Art New York, the Metropolitan Museum of Art New York, the Photographers’ Gallery London, the Centre Pompidou Paris, and the British Library among others.pidou Paris, and the British Library among others.

Ben Bogart
Ben Bogart is a non-binary agender adisciplinary artist working for two decades with generative computational processes and has been inspired by knowledge in the natural sciences in the service of an epistemological inquiry. Ben has produced processes, artifacts, texts, images and performances that have been presented worldwide. Ben is a settler of Dutch and French ancestry and lives and works on the unceded traditional territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̍əm (Musqueam), Sk̠wx̠wú7mesh (Squamish), and Səl̓ílwətaʔ/Selilwitulh (Tsleil-Waututh) First Peoples, also known as Vancouver.